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10th-Dec-2006 12:52 am
This community was never intended to seriously be used, but hey, what the hell why now throw something out there!

So, here's a question for you:
Why do we fight? Why are we at war? Is it worth it?

I, personally, don't have an answer. I feel uneasy that we, as a nation, can't even decide on what we're fighting for. I had a huge rant here but I cut it out.
I laugh at the irony of the United States. Here we are, a nation founded from the idea of freedom and liberty, now forcing our own form of democracy and government onto other nations. I understand that democracy is a good thing, but if a country -- such as Iraq -- wants to obtain it's own democracy by itself, then it should be allowed to. Usually people feel better when they make something themselves than just take what's thrusted upon them, and American democracy may not be the BEST solution for ALL nations. Iraq may want Iraqi democracy instead of American, and it should be allowed to have it.
I can't answer "is it worth it", either, because seriously, what's the "it" in "worth it"? As much as I'm for war, this particular one I feel just made things worse for everyone. the United States shouldn't have even sponsered the people it did in the first place, wtf. B<

I also find it ironic that the US is the only country opposing the creation of the ICC (International Criminal Court). It wants to keep prosecuting terrorists, but it doesn't want to be prosecuted itself. The US has committed a lot of terrorism (Maehyang-ri, South Korea; Vieques, Puerto Rico; etc), and if it wants to bash and prosecute other countries for it, it should take the responsibility for its own actions, too.
10th-Dec-2006 08:33 am (UTC)
War is profitable. When a country is at war (like an actual war, WWI and WWII type of thing, not having troops in a country just sitting there and using bugs as target practice) it makes a lot of money. That's from a political standpoint anyway.

From a human perspective, we are violent creatures. It's basically in our nature, I think. Look at ancient civilizations, they loved to fight. They lived for war. And what did they fight for? Land. That's another thing we humans have. The craving to control everything, and more. And so we oppose each other, and there we have war.

Even after thousands of years, there are still people in our race who love war.

As for the question, is it worth it... That depends on personal view, really. To an ancient king of a great nation... expanding his territory is worth the loss of his men. And hell, they were willing to give it after all...
10th-Dec-2006 09:48 am (UTC)
Of course it's very much part of our nature to have a fighting spirit. But I for some reason can't help but think of the World Cup and how it's fairly non violent but it can still feel like a fight. If we could learn to channel the emotions of competition for land and supremacy into different venues then maybe we could be more productive as nations and less likely to all nuke each other.

There's so much more at stake than just some plots of land like a king may have fought for. There are weapons now that could ruin the lives of millions of people in just the click of a button. Now it's not the same deck of cards that it used to be. I hate to sound like a goody-goody, but obliterating a nation for the profits just seems wrong.
10th-Dec-2006 03:51 pm (UTC)
Well of course it's wrong. It was wrong back then too, by our standards today. I'm not saying they are justified in feeling the way they did about death, but it's all they know. Men have always been hunters, ever since prehistoric time. It's basic nature to fight.

Difference is though, since WWI, we started involving civilians in war. Before that, civilians have NEVER been targets. Civilians only died because of raids, or accidents. Or cruel soldiers, but that's another story. It's only after WWI that we really started attacking the civilians in order to win. That I think, is when war goes too far. I can't really think of any justification for that at all.
10th-Dec-2006 06:52 pm (UTC)
Maybe humans are deevolving.
10th-Dec-2006 07:43 pm (UTC)
Yea they are. :| Soon we'll forget how to walk, how to sit, how to move our arms. We'll become blobs for whom technology does everything.

Oh wait, some of us are already blobs.
10th-Dec-2006 11:03 pm (UTC)
I said DEEVOLVE as in turn into MONKIES, not our brain turning into MUSH. LOL AHA
10th-Dec-2006 11:07 pm (UTC)
10th-Dec-2006 11:58 pm (UTC)
no you arent.
11th-Dec-2006 02:37 am (UTC)
o sry.
11th-Dec-2006 03:03 am (UTC)
We're going both ways D:
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